Wednesday, August 11, 2010

Back to School

Today I want to talk about schooling your children, specifically I want to talk about not putting your children in Public Schools and God's way of raising and educating your children.

God is clear on who is responsible for raising our children. 
And you, fathers, do not provoke your children to wrath, but bring them up in the training and admonition of the Lord.  Ephesians 6:4 NKJV
The Bible is clear that fathers, as head of the family, are responsible for the education of their children.  Ephesians 6 is but one example of several where God dictates the fathers to teach their children.  Many times, fathers delegate that responsibility to the mothers as while the fathers work, the mother has the opportunity to spend that time with her children.  There are also several passages in the Bible indicating the mother shares in that responsibility to raise their children.  However, we must understand understand that the father, as head of the family, is the one who will ultimately be accountable to God. 

The best way to raise your child in the Lord is for you, parents, to be the ones raising your children.  The best place for them to learn is in your home, under your teaching, and following your example.  Many parents feel they are not qualified and some parents feel that their own career is more important than a Biblical upbringing for their children. Some just do not have a strong enough faith to trust God to  take care of their needs if they take the time to teach their children. We must understand that our provision is always from the Lord and not of ourselves.
"Therefore do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear? For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you." Matthew 6:31-33 NKJV
Seeking His Kingdom means following His Word.  Following His Word means raising your own children.  Raising your own children is part of allowing God to provide for you. 

Perhaps you think you are not qualified.  Again, that is not so.  If God gave you children, He gave you the ability to raise and teach them.  Let's look at an example of what I mean:
Then Moses said to the LORD, "O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither before nor since You have spoken to Your servant; but I am slow of speech and slow of tongue." So the LORD said to him, "Who has made man's mouth? Or who makes the mute, the deaf, the seeing, or the blind? Have not I, the LORD?" Exodus 4:10-11 NKJV
Like you, Moses thought himself unqualified to do the work God called him to do.  And like Moses, God will equip you to raise and train the children He has given you.  God will never give you a task that He will not empower you to accomplish.  In fact, God does not even want to to rely on our own strength, but on His.
Trust in the LORD with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths.  Proverbs 3:5-6
I think it is clear that home schooling is the best alternative to bring up a child in the Lord.  There is an abundance of resources to help a parent in homeschooling their children including support groups, ministries, a variety of materials and curricula, and you have the freedom to direct your child's education in a most personal way.  It also gives  a child the opportunity to be apprenticed by Godly parents in how to truly live a Godly life.  If you are afraid of your child being lonely and not having friends, and if you are concerned about your child not being properly socialized, there are programs for that as well.  There are programs, there are friends from church, and there are a variety of other activities including Little League, Boy Scouts, Pioneer Girls, etc.  In fact, if gives you the freedom to create a well-rounded set of activities for your child. 

That being said, I do not believe it is wrong to send your child to a solid Christian school as long as it is done for the reasons and with the right heart.  Understand that whomever you entrust to help educate your child, it is still your responsibility.  When you, fathers, stand before God you will not be able to blame a bad teacher.  That is why it is so important that if you do send your child to school, it is a school that puts God at the center of everything they do.  It is important that the school you send your children holds the Word of God above any textbook your child may use.  It is important the the school is not just Christian in name only, but also in words and deeds. Those schools do exist, though they are few and far between.  And if you do send your child to a Christian school make sure it is what God is leading you to do and not you running away from God.  Perhaps you just do not feel confident you can teach the 3 R's as well as someone with more experience.  Perhaps your circumstances do not allow it you to take the time required to teach your child, especially when they are young and require more constant attention.  There are even examples in the Bible of men and women acting as teachers and role models for children (Titus 2 for example). There are many reasons, but make sure those reasons are what God is showing you and not one you are creating to get out of your own responsibility.  Finally, send your children to Christian school with the heart that its only a supplement to what you teach them at home.  It should serve to reinforce your raising of your child, not replace it.

What I will say for sure is that it is always wrong for a Christian parent to send their child to a public school.  Yes, I did way wrong and I did say always, and yes I meant that.  In fact, I will go so far as to say it is utterly irresponsible for you, as a Christian parent, to send your child to public school. 

Why is it wrong and irresponsible?  Let me answer that with some questions for you: Why would you ever trust your child into the hands of a wordly system designed to undermine everything you are trying to do as a Christian parent?  Why would you spend so much time shielding your child from the filth of the world all while sending your child out into it where you have NO control of what he or she is exposed to?  Why would trust a teacher with your child's spiritual well-being when that teacher is forced by law to teach your child ungodly things?  Why would you trust your child with a teacher who may hate your faith?   How can you entrust a child with a system that will teach him that you, Christian parent, are wrong?  All this things will happen if you send your child to public school.

You are sending your child into a needless spiritual war that your child is most likely not even close to prepared for.  You are exposing your child to sex, atheism, universalism, relativism, drugs, violence, humanism, and Godless evolution and from a very early age.  Your child, with no positive influence, will be bombarded for 8 hours a day and 40 hours a week and from a very early age.  How can you subject your child to that?   How can you think that is bringing your child up in the Lord? 

In public school, your child will learn about sex BEFORE puberty and most of the time whether you like it or not.  You teach your child that sex is sacred and only appropriate in marriage, schools teach them that it is up to them and even provides them instructions and equipment.  You say homosexuality is a sin that needs to be repented of, schools teach your child that they were born that way and should embrace it. You teach your child that they are God's creation, schools teach them that they are the result of billions of years of mistakes.  You teach your child to stay away from drugs, 60% of students report that drugs are sold in their schools and 20% of EIGHTH graders have already tried marijuana.  You teach your child Jesus is the only way, schools don't mention Jesus and teach that every way is equal.  You teach that abortion is murder, schools will drive your daughter to get one and depending on where you live you may not even have the right to ever know.  You teach your children that you are the authority, schools teach them that they are and you the parent are wrong.  You teach your children that Jesus is Lord, schools teach teach that people are their own lords.

The biggest argument I ever hear is that its the only way to properly socialize your child.   But whom is your child socializing with?  People who follow other gods or no god at all?  People who will try to coax your son or daughter into sex or drugs?  People who will show your child how to rebel against the morals you are trying to develop in your child?  Children should have no fellowship with a sinful fallen world lest they become part of it. 
The righteous should choose his friends carefully, For the way of the wicked leads them astray. Proverbs 12:26
And again: 
Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people."  Therefore "Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you. I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the LORD Almighty."   1 Corinthians 6:14-18 NKJV
With all this, how can you say it is right to ever send your child to public school?  Perhaps you think it is for extracurricular activities because surely baseball is more important than your child's soul.  Perhaps because some set of statistics claims your community has a "good" school system.  But good in whose eyes? Certainly not in God's eyes!  Maybe you are worried about college and higher education.  Colleges actually look favorably on homeschooling and many even go so far as to actively recruit home schooled children.  Even they realize its superiority to public schools.  There is no good reason to send your child to public schools.

If you want your child to grow in Christ, you have to raise your child in Christ.  You have to educate your child in Christ.  You have to apprentice your child into the Christian life.  This can only be done by you and if you need assistance it can only come from those who will supplement your education and not undermine it.  God has given you a precious gift and an amazing responsibility. 
Train up a child in the way he should go, And when he is old he will not depart from it.  Proverbs 22:6 NKJV

26 comments:

  1. Preach it! You KNOW that this one is SUPER heavy on my heart! It is for sure time for parents to take a close look at what they are allowing to be fed to their children!!

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  2. Homeschooling involves sacrifice and isn't easy, but I sure wish more Christian families did it. The benefits are tremendous.

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  3. Um...WOW. Hard for me to disagree with, really, but as a product of public schooling and a daughter of a Godly public school teacher, I think I turned out alright. This time and age is different, however; we are losing our Godly teachers and examples in the public system because of many of these issues. I don't know if would go as far as to say it ALWAYS wrong if you just honestly can't afford to put your child in Christian school or to homeschool them, but then one has to take a look at the finances to make the decision for your family. So, maybe you would need to move to a place that still has some sense of values in their public school system. My hometown of Cleveland, TN, does-at least in the elementary school system. I know MANY of those teachers. It does seem to me these days to at a minimum, put them in a Christian school, hopefully, as a part of your church family. I do know God directs us to do all of the above through His word, just as you have stated boldly.
    I love your boldness, Ben, in proclaiming His word. I hope when you have children with Robin, you guys will continue to be bold witnesses for Him and show your children these blog postings as well.

    Sarah

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  4. Can you ever "honestly" not be able to afford something God has directed you to do? It is not easy and I even struggle with it many times myself, but God does promise to provide and He will provide no matter where He calls you.

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  5. When parents truly seek Him, God will make it clear what He desires. I pray every year starting in January for His desire for my upcoming school year.

    http://theexcellentwife.com/2010/07/28/for-our-good-always/

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  6. Dear Ben,

    I’ve read your post and it is an understatement to say that I find you slightly misinformed on what goes on in public schools. As a member of my community, you have a standing invitation to come in and observe my public school classroom any day that you would like, Monday through Friday.

    When you visit, I promise you will not see the following: You will not see me “providing instructions or equipment for sexual activity.” You will not see me “driving your daughter” to get an abortion.” You will not see me teaching students that “their parents are wrong.” And you certainly won’t see me teaching students that they are “the result of billions of years of mistakes.” (However, I do find that last accusation to be hilarious.)

    Do you know why you won’t see me teaching any of these things? Because I am a professional.

    There is one thing you did get right. You will see me teaching tolerance and acceptance, especially in regards to gender orientation or religion or whatever. It is every student’s natural born right to receive a hassle-free education and I won’t allow bigotry in my classroom, regardless of anyone’s moral justifications. And I don’t think you’d disagree with that last point. The Bible says you should treat everyone with kindness and respect.

    Your quote “homosexuality is a sin….. schools teach your child that they were born that way and should embrace it” makes it seem as though I actively promote a specific agenda, and I don’t. You’ll see that when you stop by.

    Lastly, I 100% support anyone’s decision to home-school their children. (Although I will tell you as a side-note that I worked in a college admissions office and I think you are wrong that colleges “look favorably” on home-schooled children. It has to do with ranking capabilities and we can talk about that some other time.) I really do support anyone’s decision to have a student home-schooled or sent to a private school. I think it’s a great thing. I even went to a private school for 9 years. They have advantages over public education, but they also have drawbacks. There is never a clear choice and I would encourage people to look into both options for themselves.

    Your post just contained outright lies and generalizations about an education system that isn’t as bad as you think it is- which is why I really am extending an invitation for you to see my class, my co-workers’ classrooms, and even some other teachers at other schools. I can set it all up for you! Stop by any day you’d like. I will treat you to lunch (although it will be cafeteria food), and I can introduce you to my bosses and upper administration. They can give you tours of the buildings, copies of our curriculum, and other resources to learn more. This will enable you to be more informed on the topic of public education.

    With 180 school days coming up, I’m sure you can find one to stop by. – Mark Walter

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  7. Mark,

    Thank you for your reply. I would like to know what outright lie I posted in my article? I sometimes may get things wrong, but lie? I do not appreciate the personal attack. I did not attack you, as a teacher, I attacked the public school system. I will, however, address your points.

    "You will not see me “providing instructions or equipment for sexual activity.”"

    As a now 2nd year high school Social Studies teacher, I do not see how you even think this applicable to bring up as you would not be the one teaching it anyway. I do not think anyone alive does not know that explicit sex ed is taught in schools. For example, in New Jersey it is mandated to be taught, but parents are allowed to opt out for religious or moral reasons. That is not the case in much of the country. It also starts early. For me, I was introduced to sex ed by my English teacher in 5th grade at 10 years old. I do not believe NJ has a specific policy regarding free contraception in schools, but I do believe that some schools do provide it.

    "You will not see me “driving your daughter” to get an abortion.”

    Again, as a Social Studies teacher you wouldn't do that. I also stipulated that his was depending on where you live. The fact is that in NJ, a guidance counselor would at least counsel a girl on abortion and thanks to the NJ Supreme Court, a parent has no right to know. In fact, a parent has no right to know if an abortion is even performed on their daughters in NJ. There was a recent court case in north NJ where parents sued a counselor for talking their daughter into an abortion. There was also recently a case in Pennsylvania where a counselor was sued for driving a student to NJ for an abortion during school hours. These are not isolated incidences.

    You will not see me teaching students that “their parents are wrong.”

    Even if they disagree with you? Seriously, what would you say to a student if he or she asks if Jesus is the only way to Heaven? What would you say if they told you that their parents said God created the world? What would you say if they asked if you thought homosexuality was a sin hated by God just like their parents do? What would you answer if a student asked about God saying that sex before marriage is always wrong? Would you ignore the question? I realize you have legal issues in terms of how you answer and maybe its not your fault but the Christian parent should not send their child to a place where the values they hold dear and true are not reinforced.

    And you certainly won’t see me teaching students that they are “the result of billions of years of mistakes.” (However, I do find that last accusation to be hilarious.)

    I don't understand why this would be hilarious. Evolution is universally taught in public schools. Any alternative is barred by law. In fact, some courts have ruled that even stating that evolution might be wrong without even giving an alternative is illegal. Just this reason alone is enough to keep children away from public schools. A foundational belief in Christianity is that we are created in God's image. That is impossible if we were evolved from monkeys. Teaching evolution undermines a child's identity in God and, as I said, that reason alone is enough to keep Christian children from public schools.

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  8. "You will see me teaching tolerance and acceptance, especially in regards to gender orientation or religion or whatever. It is every student’s natural born right to receive a hassle-free education and I won’t allow bigotry in my classroom, regardless of anyone’s moral justifications. And I don’t think you’d disagree with that last point. The Bible says you should treat everyone with kindness and respect."

    You say in the next paragraph that you are not actively promoting an agenda. But in the above quote you are. You have the agenda of acceptance and tolerance and while I agree that people should be treated with respect, I do not believe that we are to accept their sin as moral. A child generally does not grasp the concept of "love the sinner, hate the sin." Furthermore, the fact that homosexuality is treated as a "lifestyle alternative" confuses a child into thinking that it is moral. Homosexuality is sin and accepting it as anything else undermines that belief. Would a child, in your class be allowed to express that homosexuality is a sin? Would a child be allowed to wear a t-shirt saying something like expressing homosexuality to be outside God's will? If the answer is no and by allowing homosexuals to actively promote their lifestyle by living it, you are promoting their agenda. I realize you have no choice in the matter. I am sure you also treat all religions as equal. That undermines the Christian view that Jesus is the ONLY way. Would you let a child express that Jesus was the only way? As Christians we are called to preach that message to the world. Would that be allowed in your classroom?

    Although I will tell you as a side-note that I worked in a college admissions office and I think you are wrong that colleges “look favorably” on home-schooled children. It has to do with ranking capabilities and we can talk about that some other time.

    I do not know how long ago it was or if your school are behind the times, but I invite you to read the linked article: http://creation.com/images/pdfs/home-school-corner/high-school/6624hs-comes-of-age.pdf

    I did not personally attack you and while I do not appreciate the attack on me, I do not hold any grudge. I also have a job and long commute that is prohibitive of me visiting your classroom. I also understand that many of the things I spoke of are not of your choice, but are mandated to you. That is why I spent the bulk of my post speaking of the system of public education and not individual teachers. I also want to point out that most of what you say is not consistent with a Christian worldview. That fact is that with the current laws and atmosphere, public schools are not appropriate for Christian children. I stand by that. Even if you can single out a good teacher or 2, a child has more than 1 teacher and even that good teacher is limited to what they can do. I also argue that good in the world's eyes is not always good in God's eyes. God wants teachers who will teach everything in the context of His ultimate Truth. He also wants teachers to be examples to their students in Christian living. Teachers need to teach with their lives as well as their words.

    I do not know where you stand with Christ. If you are not Christian, I invite you come to church and accept God's gift of salvation and allow God to create you into a teacher approved by Him. If you are a Christian, I encourage you to really get into the Word and seek God's direction in how and what you teach.

    My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment. James 3:1 NKJV

    Ben

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  9. Ben,
    First, let me say thanks for replying to my comment. Second, I never said the words “utterly dishonest.” Be careful when using direct quotes.

    You also misunderstand a personal attack for my personal invitation. I even offered to buy you lunch, introduce you to the school’s administration, and give you copies of our entire curriculum. I even expressed my opinion that I think private education is a great alternative to be looked into. There is no hostility in my invitation and it’s unfortunate you perceive it as such. My intent of the original comment, which I stand by, is that you are misinformed on public education, and I think it would benefit you to actually come visit a real public school from the perspective of someone other than a student.

    “I would like to know what outright lie I posted in my article?” You made a few, but I’ll pick one and explain in detail.

    “You teach your children that you are the authority, schools teach them that they are and you the parent are wrong.”

    Teachers & Schools do not teach students that parents are wrong, making your statement incorrect. As a matter of fact, teachers are taught that parents are the authority over their child and to stay in constant contact with parents. We are instructed, trained, and required to cultivate positive relationships with parents. My colleagues and I consistently rely on parental support, and if applicable, often accommodate the parents in any way possible, from writing daily reports to enforcing specific rules that are set in the home.

    Now, I will be the first to admit that there are ‘bad apples’ in every bunch. Sometimes, unfortunately, a teacher will overstep their boundaries and when that happens they are usually held accountable. For you to take a handful of examples, or just your promote your own opinion as fact, and proclaim that “schools teach [students]…you the parent are wrong,” is an unfair generalization, or an outright lie.

    Hopefully this helps answer your question.
    You asked me a lot of other questions (I’m glad you are interested). However, I can see by your response and decline of my invitation that I probably won’t be able to make a positive impression on you in regards to public education. Which is ok-- you are entitled to your opinion (I teach that too).

    However, there is one scenario you presented to me that I think is worth discussing. You asked, “Would a child, in your class be allowed to express that homosexuality is a sin?” The answer is yes. If we were discussing the topic of, say, personal freedoms, and a student was to voice their opinion in a respectful manner that homosexuality is a sin, that would be ok. What would not be ok is if that student presented his/her opinion in a way that was harmful or degrading to others. Examples of that would be using bad language, calling out or referring to a particular student, or some other presentation of their ideas in a vulgar manner. As I said before, everyone is entitled to a hassle-free education.

    Hopefully this clears up a lot for you.

    Lastly, I thought your comment about telling kids that they are mistakes is hilarious. I can’t help but laugh when I envision how ridiculous it would be for a teacher to stand in front of a class and tell kids that they are mistakes, or the "result of a billion years of mistakes" That was funny. -- Mark Walter.

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  10. You still fail to see that a public school is no place for a Christian child, but you do not have a Christian worldview and so you would not be able to. I will end with this .. you accuse me of generalizations and outright lies, but I can back up everything I say with new articles, laws, and court cases. You are making generalizations of the education system from your one 10-month old classroom. The only example you provide is yourself. I have done a lot of research on public education and I stand behind what I say. Anyway, I appreciate your comments but this is really not the forum for endless debate. I would be happy to correspond via regular email and my address is public on this forum.

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  11. Ben,

    I'm sorry you feel that way. I've explained my points fairly well and the invitation will still stand to come in and enjoy my classroom whenever you'd like. I don't know where you are doing 'research' on me, but I have been teaching for more than 10 months, and I have years of accredited research on education as well.

    Of course my primary example is me, but as I've said before you're welcome to come see my colleagues as well and I can even put you in contact with education professors who will explain the finer points of the parent-teacher relationship, among other things.

    I'm amazed that we have such widely different understandings on this topic.

    I'll end with this. I don't mean to cause you any distress, and if my information on your blog, which is promoted through Facebook, is not welcome, then I completely misjudged your intentions of running an open blog with an enabled comments section. I won’t reply again, however if you have any further questions you can contact me as well. See you at the next family reunion, I hope it’s not awkward – Mark Walter.

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  12. I did not say unwelcome, I just said that this is not the forum for an endless debate. As or my source, it is Data Universe through Gannett newspapers where there is a searchable database of the state public employees official records that includes salary, pension, how many classes you teach, what school you teach in, how much instate and out of state experience you have, job code, and level of education. Its a public database available right from he home page of mycentraljersey.com.

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  13. You're reading that site incorrectly.

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  17. And getting back to Ephesians, I’m the father and I am to bring up my children and I did that by providing a Christian home with Christian beliefs. I believe you take that verse (Ephesians 6:4) to another level, one that favors your opinion of home schooling. That verse is meant for us to bring up our children in a God Fearing house (or bring them up in the training and admonition of the Lord), no matter where they go to school, and not to provoke them to anger or discouragement, thus driving them away from the Lord. Even with that, a child at some point in time will make a choice on the path that she or he will follow in life. There’s no guarantee that home schooled children will follow in the ways of the Lord as there is no guarantee that children raised in a Christian home and go to public school will follow in the ways of the Lord. So, the obvious question would have to be since you don’t appear to have any children yet, what will you do once a child comes along. Will you stay home and home school your child? After all, this would fall to you based on your comments. Will you take Mark up on his offer to come to his classroom? But then again, maybe you really don’t want to because it might show that your opinion, as a rule, is flawed. We should be tolerant and love everyone as Christ did. We shouldn’t like the sin, but love the sinner no matter where they go to school.

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  18. I understand your argument but your conclusion confuses me. First of all, you give one case study involving a homeschooling relative and a public schooling self and base your entire argument on your kids turning out better then her's. That argument is meaningless without any facts at all about either of your lives. You only mention one aspect (schooling). That is not enough to base an entire argument on. I also fail to see why you feel the need to be so defensive when this was not a personal attack and where you do not identify yourself or even if I know you.

    My one link references many other studies. Please, if you can find a study that disagrees with what I provided then let us all know. If you can not find any real study that disagrees with my link then you have no basis to doubt its validity other than personal prejudice.

    Finally, if you apply Ephesians as you state then how do you justify your sending your child off to learn ungodly things such as evolution and the acceptability of homosexuality if your charge is to bring them up in the knowledge of the Lord? That verse does not just apply to your home instruction but also to what you child is allowed to be exposed to. So, what verse can you provide to support public school? What does tolerance have to do with the decision to send your child to public school?

    Finally, I or my wife or a combination thereof will be homeschooling our children.

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  19. And also explain how visiting Mark in school has anything to do with the education of my future children?

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  20. I am sorry I had to delete 2 of your 3 comments as it contained negative information about someone. While its true I may not know who you are, someone might, and this blog is not a place to air family laundry.

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  21. Why did you feel the need to delete my first two comments? It's not family laundry, it's a fact and a part of their life, and I wasn't trying to say my family was any better than hers because we're not. Each family has its own share of problems. Yes, you don’t know me, but why is that important? It seems you base your entire argument on; not having any children. When you do have children, will you keep them at home at all times to shelter them from the world? That would seem the wise thing to do because the world is such a cruel place as Christ knew fully well. But then again, Christ ate with the sinners as he was there to save the lost. I've raised three children and while they were in school they weren't taught homosexuality and they spoke their mind concerning evolution. Your perception of my comments as defensive is just that, your perception. I stumbled upon this blog and was trying to give you an example of home schooling as in my sister-in-law and my children being brought up in public school. But now, you deleted the comments so no one can see what I said and decide for themselves. What verse can I provide to support public school? None. What verse can you provide that specifically states "Thou shalt home school your children"? That verse (Eph 6:4) is to instruct your child in the ways of the Lord, period so they are equipped to go into the world. If you decide to home school, that’s fine. But don’t chastise everyone else who decides to go through the public school system. You can quote Ephesians 6:4 all day, but that's your interpretation of it as I have mine. Who's right? Only the Lord knows who’s right and who’s wrong. He's the Almighty and His ways are not our ways. I'll leave you with Proverbs 22:8 "Train up a child in the way he should go, And when he is old he will not depart from it".

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  22. I said you were welcome to repost without any identifiers. The Bible is the final Word and Authority and so if you can not argue your position from the Word then you really have no standing to argue in this forum. Besides, its not about how your children are running their race now compared to others its how they will all, in the end, finished the race. Then it is up to God to judge who was "better."

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  23. Why would I repost since you've already deleted two of my comments? It’s easy to pick and choose what you want to be on your blog. You didn't answer one question I asked of you from my last comment. Why would that be? Hmmm..... I can't back up public schools with a verse since public schools didn't exist when Ephesians was written. But then again, I didn’t see a verse from you concerning home schooling. The Bible is the final word and authority as long as you interpret it the correct way and not the way that suits your end goal. Ephesians 6:4 has nothing to do with the basics as far as reading, writing, math, science and history. It’s all about bringing your children up in the instruction of the Lord. Whether they get the basics at home then, or a public school, or a Christian / private school is up to the parent. Once again, there isn’t any proof that a child raised in a home school environment will turn out any better or worse than in a public school. Whether that’s the basics or whether that’s the spiritual element. My children turned out very well, but you would have told me that it would have been wrong to send them to public school when I was raising them. We are all running the race, including yourself and I very well know that there isn’t anyone better than anyone else because we are all sinners in the eyes of the Lord and only through salvation will we be able to enter into His presence. I’ve been a Christian for a good many years, but it appears as though you’re fairly new and nothing will sway you away from a mis-led opinion and judgment of others. I’ll leave with Matthew 7:1 and I pray that the Lord’s blessing is upon you.

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  24. The fact is that the comparison between your children and others is moot. The only comparison between your children and your children. You say they turned out ok, but life is still young for them and who is to say they would not have turned out even better with you taking the time to home school your children. Who is to say that other children referenced would not have turned out even worse? Who is to say whose children will finished their race better? As for the "basics", well, they are all to be learned in the context of the Word of God. That is something a public school will not provide. If you feel you are Biblically justified to send your children into a worldly system that rejects God to educate your children then that is your prerogative. Give your children to Caesar if you must, I will give mine to the Lord.

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  25. I have not given my children to Caesar as you state, just because I chose to send them to public school. They were raised in the church and taught properly how to discern. If you never expose your children to the "world" how will they ever be able to resist it??? Obviously, as the previous commenter stated, this is not an open forum and your refusal to answer questions posed to you and the deletion of portions of my post speaks volumes.
    I will now leave you and this forum.
    Thank you for your time.

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  26. http://www.visionforum.com/hottopics/blogs/dwp/2010/08/8643.aspx

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